Don't take employment to mean endorsement. She was a terrible politician.
[Akechi saw her as a point of intel, albeit one that proved more difficult to crack once he had her within reach. The fact that she seemed like a sure bet for employment at the time was a factor, too—if she had gotten into the main office, he would be in there as well. That was part of the aim. He could see the mess of a campaign quite easily once he got inside.
And then it became a problem of access.
It didn't help that she was reclusive.]
I think it's probable that Durcell may not be shaken by the intel. Many know of their supposed criminal ties, and if they're still in the running, it means that anything we have on them may not matter. But they're an opportunist, and we could present ourselves as that opportunity.
But Lynch is another story all together. The perfect politician, even if he hasn't held office. It's curious that the corporations haven't rallied behind him when he's a far more suitable pick. It could be that they know their choice would be shunned in this atmosphere. Or it could be that he's trouble for some in some way.
As for the young upstart, I fail to see how she would be able to succeed at governing. Ideals, beliefs, and hopes aren't enough to help stabilize this city. I fear for what may happen to New Amsterdam if we allow someone with little experience to step into office. You've heard of the decimation of North America, haven't you? I can easily see another necessary sacrifice in our future.
The corporatocracy is part of the problem here, no amount of working for PRESERVE will rid Lynch of making his money off the backs of laborers. Durcell exploits the same weaknesses to profit off the gangs.
[ trash, the lot of them. ]
We already gave her half her talking points, she is already on our side. We can use that to our advantage and force an agenda on her.
You're right that ideals won't stabilize a planet but if the people don't have anyone to rally behind, nothing will change. If there is one person that stands up for them and loudly says "we have a chance", this city will take it. This rebellion has only just started, stability isn't on the table yet.
If we keep pushing this forward they won't be able to destroy New Amsterdam because it won't be a sacrifice, it will be an act of war. They won't make an example, they'll make martyrs.
That gives me an idea. If we can get Durcell or Lynch to back us, we may be able to use that. My concern when it comes to Delafield-Chapin is her inexperience in leading a group out of a crisis. She's not a political or corporate leader. She has little management experience on her resume, if any. When put into focus, it leaves me questioning what she'll be able to do and whether she'll be able to gather the resources she needs.
Durcell or Lynch at least have shown that they can gather and utilize resources. They won't be able to proceed here without our return support, especially if we galvanize a base.
You're not wrong that Delafield-Chapin is in our corner. But I believe that her inexperience and lofty ideals will end up curbing any pragmatic impulses that we should be turning to at this time. We can't leave New Amsterdam open to the UN, either as a target or otherwise. They'll likely first do what they can to discredit her, and if that fails—a strong "if," considering her inexperience—they'll make an example of her in some other way.
[ akechi isn't wrong. experience is important in government probably, but jyn watched experience tell her they would rather let evil overrun the galaxy because fighting back was too scary when they weren't even the ones doing the fighting so she really can't be arsed when it comes to giving even a single fuck whether experience matters.
experience won't fight for them. ]
So install more experienced people in her government to mitigate her inexperience. The governor is not an empress, she won't be governing alone. Which concerns me the most about Durcell.
Lynch might pretend he doesn't believe in cronyism but I can't see Durcell demurring from putting gang leaders in positions of power.
It's through this conversation that I've realized that Durcell would be impossible to control. It's apparent that Lynch will at least try to preserve his image, which could be good for the people of New Amsterdam, if not going far enough.
As for Delafield-Chapin, the concern is that she doesn't have the connections yet to install those people. How do we intend to make certain that she does when we wouldn't know how to point her toward them? Unless you truly think we can try to be installed ourselves.
I'm not advocating for the displaced in positions of power. We can't even control ourselves.
[ gestures at basically everyone. maybe not larry. regardless the instability of their lives here could be incredibly damaging if they had any semblance of power. ]
People are fleeing the city left and right, there are bound to be openings in lower government for people we can nominate by the court of public opinion and pressure campaigns, but the problem with all of this is that we don't know enough to know who would be successful and also on our side.
Cassius doesn't have nearly the reach he used to have and I'm not nearly as capable. Our resources only stretch so far.
Getting someone into her office would be a good starting point. An assistant or whatever.
So you intend to influence her retroactively? To install someone after she's already won and lacked the people in her space to appoint? You intend for her to have people around her who she likely inherited from Gill-Jade's ineffective run as governor?
You've never helped build a government before, have you? These things shouldn't be done retroactively.
Tell me how to install a cabinet in a fortnight with zero information at your disposal.
Enlighten me.
We can't do any of this proactively, there is simply not enough time. Changing the government from inside out, however, is not limited by that impossible timeline.
I watched a senator declare himself Emperor and turn democracy into an empire. You haven't even said what kind of government you want to build.
And I aided and abetted in campaign fraud so that my malevolent father could win the most powerful seat in Japan.
I'm not trying to build a government, Jyn. I'm making an attempt at ensuring that we have some influence while also preventing the UN from cutting New Amsterdam loose.
Choosing between Durcell and Lynch ensures that we have someone prepared stepping into office. Don't lose sight of what I said from the start. I've no interest in controlling the city's government; I simply want to prevent things from getting worse.
And don't tell me I'm being paranoid right after you claimed a senator stole the title of Emperor simply because he could. You've seen what happens with escalation.
Look I am not saying we can't make sure inexperience won't harm the city but I am saying that helping to install people that make their fortune and gain their power of the backs of the people beneath them isn't likely to make the situation any better.
I'm not going to have an answer you like. Pragmatism only goes so far with a rebellion. They're built on hope.
New Amsterdam won't cause the world to rebel if it's exactly what's cut loose. Do you know what I mean when I say that? Or should I spell it out to you?
You'll recall that this government already destroyed an entire continent to gain power. The story isn't told that way, but we've seen how they discard their own just to make a statement.
What happens to us when they need to make a statement again?
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[Akechi saw her as a point of intel, albeit one that proved more difficult to crack once he had her within reach. The fact that she seemed like a sure bet for employment at the time was a factor, too—if she had gotten into the main office, he would be in there as well. That was part of the aim. He could see the mess of a campaign quite easily once he got inside.
And then it became a problem of access.
It didn't help that she was reclusive.]
I think it's probable that Durcell may not be shaken by the intel. Many know of their supposed criminal ties, and if they're still in the running, it means that anything we have on them may not matter. But they're an opportunist, and we could present ourselves as that opportunity.
But Lynch is another story all together. The perfect politician, even if he hasn't held office. It's curious that the corporations haven't rallied behind him when he's a far more suitable pick. It could be that they know their choice would be shunned in this atmosphere. Or it could be that he's trouble for some in some way.
As for the young upstart, I fail to see how she would be able to succeed at governing. Ideals, beliefs, and hopes aren't enough to help stabilize this city. I fear for what may happen to New Amsterdam if we allow someone with little experience to step into office. You've heard of the decimation of North America, haven't you? I can easily see another necessary sacrifice in our future.
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[ trash, the lot of them. ]
We already gave her half her talking points, she is already on our side. We can use that to our advantage and force an agenda on her.
You're right that ideals won't stabilize a planet but if the people don't have anyone to rally behind, nothing will change. If there is one person that stands up for them and loudly says "we have a chance", this city will take it. This rebellion has only just started, stability isn't on the table yet.
If we keep pushing this forward they won't be able to destroy New Amsterdam because it won't be a sacrifice, it will be an act of war. They won't make an example, they'll make martyrs.
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Durcell or Lynch at least have shown that they can gather and utilize resources. They won't be able to proceed here without our return support, especially if we galvanize a base.
You're not wrong that Delafield-Chapin is in our corner. But I believe that her inexperience and lofty ideals will end up curbing any pragmatic impulses that we should be turning to at this time. We can't leave New Amsterdam open to the UN, either as a target or otherwise. They'll likely first do what they can to discredit her, and if that fails—a strong "if," considering her inexperience—they'll make an example of her in some other way.
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experience won't fight for them. ]
So install more experienced people in her government to mitigate her inexperience. The governor is not an empress, she won't be governing alone. Which concerns me the most about Durcell.
Lynch might pretend he doesn't believe in cronyism but I can't see Durcell demurring from putting gang leaders in positions of power.
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As for Delafield-Chapin, the concern is that she doesn't have the connections yet to install those people. How do we intend to make certain that she does when we wouldn't know how to point her toward them? Unless you truly think we can try to be installed ourselves.
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[ gestures at basically everyone. maybe not larry. regardless the instability of their lives here could be incredibly damaging if they had any semblance of power. ]
People are fleeing the city left and right, there are bound to be openings in lower government for people we can nominate by the court of public opinion and pressure campaigns, but the problem with all of this is that we don't know enough to know who would be successful and also on our side.
Cassius doesn't have nearly the reach he used to have and I'm not nearly as capable. Our resources only stretch so far.
Getting someone into her office would be a good starting point. An assistant or whatever.
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You've never helped build a government before, have you? These things shouldn't be done retroactively.
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Enlighten me.
We can't do any of this proactively, there is simply not enough time. Changing the government from inside out, however, is not limited by that impossible timeline.
I watched a senator declare himself Emperor and turn democracy into an empire. You haven't even said what kind of government you want to build.
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I'm not trying to build a government, Jyn. I'm making an attempt at ensuring that we have some influence while also preventing the UN from cutting New Amsterdam loose.
Choosing between Durcell and Lynch ensures that we have someone prepared stepping into office. Don't lose sight of what I said from the start. I've no interest in controlling the city's government; I simply want to prevent things from getting worse.
And don't tell me I'm being paranoid right after you claimed a senator stole the title of Emperor simply because he could. You've seen what happens with escalation.
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Look I am not saying we can't make sure inexperience won't harm the city but I am saying that helping to install people that make their fortune and gain their power of the backs of the people beneath them isn't likely to make the situation any better.
I'm not going to have an answer you like. Pragmatism only goes so far with a rebellion. They're built on hope.
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New Amsterdam won't cause the world to rebel if it's exactly what's cut loose. Do you know what I mean when I say that? Or should I spell it out to you?
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Please do.
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What happens to us when they need to make a statement again?
Don't assume that we can rebel without impunity.
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[ he can say he doesn't want it, but he's the one that opened with jyn's speech so. in any case, she is dunzo. ]